What follows are original narratives written for the investigator:
[Outline of telephone conversations Late 2011 to Early 2013]
What Tiffany said was what she believed happened during her episode of what she called “sleepwalking” meaning periods of crazy behavior that she claimed no memory of afterward. All of the stories were set in just the period of 1 to 3 weeks in late ’03 or early ’04.
She presented these as dreams, flashbacks or just like memories returning, and I believed she understood that it was not real but in every call I would recount ALL of the events that actually did happen during that time she was nuts. At first she listened and accepted what I was saying but as time went on she began to participate and question my telling of the event, and as that progressed in time she would ague points.
Tiffany in her early calls made it sound like an “affair” and that this “affair” started right when her mother was finally ejected from the home. As these calls developed there were only a few variations in the story:
She would come into my bedroom wake me up, strip and we would have sex.
She would wake up from “sleepwalking” in the middle of us having sex, she had us innocently sleeping in the same bed and it would just happen.
We would kiss innocently enough but we would loose control, black out (sleepwalk) and we’d have sex right on the spot.
Then it was that we had sex only when she was “sleepwalking” the medication was to stop it.
She began to incorporate the psychologist as us getting therapy just for the fact we were having sex and at some point prescribing medication because of it.
The story became that what she was doing was involuntary because of the “sleepwalking” but because we were having sex anyway she did it awake too because it was now expected and she was put on medication to deal with it.
She did ask if the psychologist told me it was okay for us to have sex, she brought up something about it being dangerous to wake up sleepwalkers and a lot of other convoluted things. I think it was posed as a question, if the psychologist had told me to have sex with her in order to deal with or stop her “sleepwalking” behavior.
She had us having sex and alternately it was her fighting me off or me fighting her off.
Whatever the core theme the stories became more detailed and elaborate, she would recount specific events she believed to have taken place and I would listen and at any opportunity I would deconstruct what she had said and present her with the impossibilities of what she was saying because there were contradictions even in her own story. I aimed at getting to a point where she understood that whatever it was going on in her had wasn’t connected to reality and I would try to explore with her what the cause of this was or wasn’t.
At this point the calls were of concern to me but honestly not that far out of line with any other discussions of crazy shit out of Tiffany… Her calls about her boyfriend problems were just as bizarre as these… I know that sounds crazy as hell but that was “Tiffany”.
As the calls persisted her demeanor began to change (but really the themes never really did) she seemed to be less lucid and reasonable. This was when she began to call at other times and claim no memory of the calls about the time she claimed no memory of and that the reason for the calls was “sleepwalking” as well. This was when I really became concerned and the calls became like walking through a minefield because it could easily devolve into her screaming unintelligibly.
I would often just hang up on her or tell her to “get the fuck off my phone” and “call back when you’re not crazy”. She threatened to call and tell someone else about it (her mother I guessed) if I did not “Just fucking listen to her”.
By this time the stories were so elaborate and crazy it was hard to keep up. If I could not get her to a point where she would listen I would call her back after a while and then try to talk sense, sometimes that worked, sometimes she claimed no memory of talking to me at all even an hour or two before. Always when I could get her engaged I would suggest that she stop drinking or whatever it was she was taking and seek some help… I would stress that I felt that doctors might not be a solution though; citing how well that worked out for Lisa (If I said “your mother” she would likely as not respond “I don’t have a mother”) and perhaps she should go to meetings.
[“Phone Calls Timeline” Original Narrative]
Beginning after Tiffany and I “agreed we were done speaking to each other” and I told her to loose my number (as best as I can remember in content and order). Tiffany called me several times within a month but I did not answer and then she did call my work and rather than tell them to just hang up on her (I was tempted but…) She began by saying hello daddy, and I said hello.
She told me she did not want to fight with me and I said something like it sure did not seem like that.
I preempted the rest of the conversation by telling her that it was simply not okay to behave towards anyone the way she had in any situation. I told her that was her mother all over again as far as I could tell and that to threaten and attack her dad like that was not the way to change his mind because I’d had enough of that to last me at least another two lifetimes.
I told her that even though I was pretty tolerant of language and over the top shock statements I was not going to listen to my daughter accuse me of the same sick bullshit her mother had in order to coerce me into getting what she wanted from me. I told her that the tactic wouldn’t work anyway because the reality was she was not as smart as her mother.
I also told her if she wanted to apologized that it did not mean shit to me and I was done feeling bad that I could not protect her form everything because the reality of that was she caused so much hell for me during that time in return and I wished now “I’d thrown her to the dogs”.
She was crying by this point and repeatedly muttered daddy I’m sorry I’m sorry.
I did not stop there but most of it was a diatribe that reiterated what she had said during the course of our fight a few of those things I remember clearly was “That she had done everything for me and asked if she needed to suck my dick just to get a little respect”. And had shouted a few times “So do you want to fuck me is that what you want?”
I ended the conversation by saying I had no use for people “like that” in my life and asked her if she understood.
She said yes and I said goodbye.
Later this same day while I was still at work I called her back. She did not answer so I left a message stating that I was being harsh and even mean in my tone with her and for that I regretted however the content of what I said stood. I wished her well and encouraged her to find a better path and get on it to a better life than her mother had.
I’m not certain this was that same day but I think so. She called very late at night / early morning next day and I answered on the chance that it was an emergency worth putting all else aside.
She was obviously very intoxicated and nearly completely unintelligible. She was sobbing and I did understand the she was trying to apologize but she really was difficult to follow due to her slurring and her words were disjointed.
I recall being in bed at the time and also recall handing the phone to Jennifer at some point however she does not recall this particular incident.
The next call was perhaps two weeks later. She was very cordial and stated she only wanted to know how everyone was doing. She had reverted to calling me daddy rather than Father or just Dad. I gave her a brief rundown on the family and the call was done.
I told Jennifer about the call and her reaction was something along the lines of “What a psycho”.
The next few calls I can only remember vaguely except for one that I have the impression Jennifer participated in when she again called obviously intoxicated. Jennifer spoke longer to her than I did and I know we talked about it between us afterward.
In another call she was apologetic and told me she was having a very hard time and thought she had been drinking far too much. I’m sure I said that “Drinking was not in her best interest” and somewhere in there she stated that she wanted to start our relationship over again and asked if that was possible. I’m guessing I said anything is possible or just yah sure Tiffany… I think I old her to look into meetings but?
She called probably once or twice a month for a while but I recall nothing remarkable about many of the brief conversations I rarely answered her calls if I knew it was her calling.
Tiffany’s Phone calls began to get odd in nature and there was a very wide gap in logic from call to call.
The first long odd call that is very clear to me Tiffany asked me to tell her exactly what it was that happened after her mother had been kicked out of the house and it was just her and I with Evan and Zoë present on and off.
I was very willing and interested to talk to her about this time and I had many questions for her as well.
I started the story with her finally coming out of the clothes closet she had shut herself in and showing me where she thought her “medication was kept” and ended with discontinuing the antipsychotic medication I was giving her a few months later.
I then answered her many questions as best as I could recall.
I asked her quite a few questions the ones being in the forefront of my mind pertaining to things she had said and whether or not she actually did not remember the way she was acting. Her answer to this was she was sleepwalking and did not recall anything at all and continued to refer to sleepwalking as the term for any and all of it. She held the line that she had NO memory of these times.
I asked her very solemnly if she was telling me the truth because it seemed to me that she had just relayed a few incidents like hitting me when she went for the door and that she it was all about me not going to get Even and Zoë… I did not try to nail her down though because it was a lot of years ago and I may have indeed talked to her some about it.
I clearly stated that I had thought she was faking it a lot of the time and she continued to denied it, she said she was “sleepwalking” and had no recollection of how she was behaving.
I don’t remember if I mentioned that cuffing her ankles seemed to snap her right out of it and that looked to me like she was aware enough to see that was not the kind of attention she was after and altered he behavior accordingly.
I did mention for sure in this conversation that it was very scary for me because giving her medication without a prescription was a serious crime as well as I felt pretty badly for a long time because I believed that it did her more harm than good as well as cause problems for her by giving “her an ugly secret that she had to hold on to”.
She told me either in this conversation or the next few that followed that she had been using drugs (marijuana mostly I think) and drinking heavily for a while but that she had moved and her roommate was a “good Christian” and she had been cleaning up her life.
As I remember it this conversation ended on a positive note and she did call and we did talk a few more times about these things specifically but not in any depth.
I recall that our next few conversations were brief and she was obviously intoxicated during a couple of them see was polite and extra (fake) cordial.
I can’t exactly place this call in time but I’m pretty sure it was in this period:
Tiffany called me at work first thing in the morning she began describing this dream that she had that her and I were married… I’m sure I stopped listening about 10 seconds in but she began to describe our sex life I said “What the Fuck Tiffany… I don’t need to hear any of that shit”.
She laughed and started laughing hard and I said “Fuck” a few more times and started laughing myself.
This one just and me shake my head and I told her that I had to work and that “there was something really fucking wrong with her head”… The call ended on a note that was like (Okay grossly inappropriate joke… God damned crazy kid).
The content of calls was unremarkable enough for a while. I am not sure how much time passed here.
Tiffany called me and said she had a very vivid and disturbing dream that her and I had sex and asked for my permission to talk to me about it because “she knew how I was about this stuff”. I paused long enough that she said “daddy?” because she sounded very strange, not intoxicated but something was not right.
I told her I would call her back (only because I wanted a second to think). She said never mind and I said “No, not never mind, I will call you back in just a minute Tiffany”.
I only took a few moments to think (mostly because I needed to check my tolerance level) and called her back.
She went straight through with her narrative of how she had dreamed we were having oral sex, “69” and then “strait sex” there was some detail to it but I am sure that I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention to the story other than to get the gist of it and let her tell it all without interrupting her. She rolled into did something like this happen?
And when I was sure that she was done talking I think I told her to hang on a second and took a bit to absorb it and level my emotions before I responded.
I’m positive that the first words out of my mouth were “That is messed up Tiffany.” And my next sentence was “No, that did not happen… At least not with me anyway”. I don’t think I said much more and I don’t recall her going on with any more either.
I don’t know if she thanked me for listening or if I thanked her for confiding in me but sort of I have that impression. The call concerned me deeply because I did have suspicions that Tiffany had possibly been molested or at the very least, had been exposed to something (She had told me that much but not in any real detail and always denied any direct abuse had occurred) during her mother’s time with her. But more than that it was just the way she sounded.
Next call (really sticks in my head) I remember Tiffany called and asked me if she could have my advice on something that she believed I had a lot of experience in… And I said Okay, shoot or something.
Tiffany began by asking me if I believed in possession (and I had to have her clarify what she meant I said yes, maybe but I was not sure). She began telling me “the back story” and I began listening.
Tiffany started by telling me in a bright conversational tone about her roommate who was in the CIA (or FBI) but he was a good Christian and they both went to church a lot.
(She went into a lot of detail about her roommate that I wasn’t really following).
Tiffany told me that he had a daughter (might have said step daughter) that had a lot of problems and was causing problems for her room mate. She said this girl acted like she had similar symptoms of what I had described to her when she had her “Sleepwalking” episode as well as had seen many psychiatrists over the years and spent time in “mental health” and the hospital. She drank and did drugs and was promiscuous and very violent at times (and the list/story went on).
Tiffany told me that this girl was now accusing him (or threatening to) of raping her for years. She said that (and yeah this is what she told me) that the sex was consensual but her roommate put a stop to it a long time ago.
Big red flags were going up already for me at this point but I continued to listen I think I stopped her for a second to have her explain in more depth about her roommate having sex with his daughter. I was listening a lot more carefully to the story from that point on.
She said that he had been coerced into it by her under threat of exposure. She said that at that time he had a problem with alcohol (I think that was it but…) and that their was a lot of problems in his marriage but that it had all ended a long time ago.
She then told me that all of this was coming back on him and that she was threatening to press charges and that she was possessed (I think but I am not sure that she implied that she had seen or talked to this girl and that is how she was drawing the Demon Possession conclusions).
I know that I stopped her around this point and asked her what she thought I could help with here. And I told her that this was a very strange story and so strange in fact that I did not believe it.
She expanded on it and was very adamant that it was true but I interrupted her because it sounded like a bad porno B film plot and if it was true she needed to get the fuck away from her “Christian CIA Agent” roommate and she became very angry.
I was scared and not really clear if it was for Tiffany’s own mental state and possible break from reality or the bad craziness she was living in… And then there was the overwhelming feeling she was just full of shit.
I stopped her again and told her this was my very best advice and yelled into the phone: “Get the fuck out and get a new roommate.”
She paused for a long time and I said are you still there? (Or something to that effect).
What she said (and I may have known it was coming) was “Daddy do you think I’m Possessed?” And began to ask if that was happening with us but I stopped her again.
I began to re iterate the whole story of when her mother was evicted from the house and her episode that she had taken to call sleep walking.
This time she listened for a bit and then interjected statements posed as questions like “Did I give you a blowjob then, because I thought you said so?” Did you…?
I asked her if she was high or something and she said no. I asked her what her problem was and she said something like she didn’t know.
I told her to quit doing whatever it was she was doing and to move out of wherever she was. Because she was fucked up!
She said she needed my help or something and I agreed that she needed help but that whatever was going on I couldn’t do anything for her from here and told her to call me before she did anything stupid but not to call me and be stupid.
There were several calls in a row and many subsequent calls in between for as long as she continued to call that pretty much went like this:
Did this happen? Did that happen? Did you say this or that? And always these calls were centered on her either dreaming, thinking, hallucinating… Whatever that her and I had been sexually involved during the time she was having a breakdown in (December or January?) 2004.
To varying degrees I listened and responded
Either ending with me giving her a shortened rundown of the time when she had a breakdown and that that was the only thing that happened that was off the charts in the house of horrors that I was aware of was her thinking she would walk to Camarillo at 2 am or something in nothing but pajama pants. And then she would thank me for helping
I would end the conversation with “that’s messed up” Tiffany and hang up on her.
I called several times in between to grill her on the whole thing and she did tell me that she was very depressed and was having a hard time and did not know what to do. I asked her if there was something else that had that really happened to her she wanted to talk about and she would deny it.
She was also beginning to act as though she did not remember much of these calls that provoked my calling back. She seemed to have some very subtle shifts in oddities that I could not place because over the phone was not enough to go on.
It was during this time that I spoke to Lisa about Tiffany quite a few times.
Her mother who I was on better terms with since about late 2009 when I became very ill with a severe kidney infection, we tried to mend fences but still didn’t talk often.
She would ask if I had talked to Tiffany lately and I did tell her that she was saying all kinds of crazy shit when she called and that there was something really wrong.
Lisa had said things like “she’s using a lot of drugs” or “She’s drinking a lot”. And she did mention (I think… Not sure) “Tiffany is Bi Polar like me”.
I think I’d asked her if she had spoken to her much and I don’t remember if she said much but was not surprised because her and her mother’s relationship had been so poor for so long that it would be a shock to me if they talked at all.
I’m positive that I asked Tiffany if she had spoken to Lisa (She did not refer to her as mom but sometimes “My Muth-er”) someplace in at least half of our conversations but she always answered in the negative.
This is germane to the calls in my mind because much of what tiffany was saying was very reminiscent of Lisa’s demeanor when she was using heavily as well as having severe emotional problems and even using the odd terms Lisa used that she had never really picked up.
This call was defiantly a little while after my back was injured. Tiffany called me and said it had been a while since we talked and wondered if I had some time. She sounded okay she sounded like Tiffany to me and really very lucid and more real all around.
I said yes and she asked me how things were and I gave her the rundown and included that I was not working because of my back etc.
She asked me if I was in private because she wanted to talk about what had been going on with her that were pretty messed up and I think again asked if I had the time. I said yes.
She told me that she had been having problems with her head and that she had been tripping pretty hard for some time for a while but that she was in a better place and taking care of things.
She asked me if I could remember anything that her an I were talking about during the time she as not okay and asked if I could please give her a rundown of things she had said because she was not sure if she had remembered everything correctly she was tripping on and wasn’t always sure who she was talking to about what.
We talked for a while and I told her everything I could remember about the times she called she asked for details about what she said and how she sounded and asked a few times if she had really said that to me and she apologized several times for being such a crazy kid.
She asked me for the names of the drugs I could remember that she had been given by her mother and asked (making the point in here someplace that she was not interested in getting medicated for her problems) If I could remember the name of the drug that I had given her when she had her breakdown and asked me if it had worked I did not remember the name but only that it was an anti psychotic and that it wasn’t used for anything other than that (like some of the medications Lisa was on). I told her that I thought that maybe up to a point it worked but I was convinced that it did not help her in the long run and possibly made it worse.
She said she did not want to end up like her mother and stated she was pretty disgusted by the fact that she was headed that way and expressed concerns that she was not a very strong person. I do remember pointing out that her making it out of Buena Vista back to Buena HS and graduating with good grades proved that she was strong when motivated.
I also told her I was sorry for not doing a better job as a dad in protecting her from the situation and she brushed it off as she always knew I did the best I could and regretted being such a pain.
This conversation was the closest thing to grown up I’d ever heard coming from Tiffany.
Nothing remarkable enough after this to remember that she had called until
<recent needs to be placed in time as close as possible
One day tiffany called me with an urgent request for her school records or something I asked her to please call Jennifer because I was very busy. She became upset about me being too busy for her when she needed something from me, I could tell this was going to go very badly. This conversion was fairly short but very heated, she did say some things that were absolute nonsense but I did not get into it because I was in pain and expressed to her that I wasn’t in good enough shape to go around and around with her.
I do remember thinking afterward that something was going very wrong again with Tiffany.
<Recent can’t place yet and not sure if in order
Tiffany called and told me she needed a copy of my tax return in a hurry and asked if I could overnight it to her.
I said “umm… I’m sorry but no not really” but what exactly did she want and what did she want it for?
She stated that she needed the front page of my tax return that listed dependent’s (the one with SSN #) because she was applying for some grant. I was immediately suspicious because she Did not sound right.
She did get angry and I said “look Tiffany I can’t send you this because A. I have not even filed yet and B. Nobody is going need what you are asking for that is going to get it for any reason.
Within a week or two Tiffany called again with an urgent need for me to overnight her birth certificate with Colegove on it to her. I was annoyed and very sure that Tiffany was not right in the head again.
I told her I did not have a copy of her birth certificate because I had already sent it to her some time ago along with every document an adult could take care of themselves.
She said no you didn’t (she sounded like her teeth were clenched)
I said I was 100% sure because not only did I send it but I clearly recall having a discussion about sending it to her with Jennifer and it was stated and agreed we had no need for any of her stuff because she was an adult and on her own.
She actually said “I don’t believe you!” I told her to ask Jennifer because she was probably the one that put it in the mail. And I told her that anything else like that could only be in the hands of her mother so call her about it.
Tiffany began telling me how badly she needed it because she was on her way out of the county. I asked where she was going and I don’t remember exactly what she said about it?”
I told Tiffany if I was wrong I’m sorry, call Jennifer and ask her about it because she knows where everything is or isn’t.
After this I told Jennifer she was going to get a crazy call from Tiffany because she wants her birth certificate but I’m pretty sure we already sent it to her.
Tiffany called me a day or two maybe after the last call and asked “Where is my birth certificate? Jennifer said she sent it and it isn’t here yet?”
I told her no she didn’t because we don’t have that birth certificate because she got it a long time ago. She said that Jennifer said she did. I replied that she may have sent her something but it wasn’t her birth certificate. She began to repeat the whole thing but I stopped her and I asked:
“What the fuck is really going on Tiffany? And that it was very clear that something was wrong she was acting strange again and I wasn’t going to waste any more time going back and forth over whatever this shit is… I thought she had hung up but she started to ask me questions.
She asked me all the same crazy questions that we had covered so many times form so many ends about what was going on during this time and that time.
I stopped her and told her that I was pretty tired and needed to get some work done and before I could end the conversation she asked once again if I thought she was ever molested.
I paused and said I didn’t think so but I honestly did not know for sure because I was at work a lot and I was not always there when a lot of bad craziness was going on with her mother. I reminded her that her and I had covered this question about 200 hundred times and 50 of those were just in the past year.
I also questioned her as to why she asking this and referred to her stories about her room mate, the times she has been calling wanting my advice on that and the other calls when she was saying fucked up shit to me whenever she was pissed off?
I asked her if she remembered all the things she had been saying to me she said yes and I went down the list as best I could remember her ticking off dod you remember saying that and she said yes Then I asked her if she remembered going over and over this and she said yes. Then I asked her if she was fucking crazy or if she was just driving me crazy?
She reversed herself and said she did not remember any of that.
I told her to “Get the fuck off my phone Tiffany”.
I don’t know if there was anything more than hanging up
… I think the order is right but still needs to be correctly placed on timeline>
<A month before she came down?
The next time she called she was clearly agitated but not sounding really messed up, She asked if I knew about her mother and if I knew what was going on with her.
I thought it was a question and said she was the same as usual.
She began telling me that her mother was not doing okay and that Tiffany did not expect her to live, she said she wanted to come down but could not afford it. I think she said her mother was in the hospital in bade shape again.
I told her I was broke as usual but I offered to give her a little bit of gas money and a place to stay if she was coming down. She said maybe and then was telling me her mom was in a bad way etc and so on…
Mostly what I remember about this conversation was immediately after getting off the phone I asked Zoë and then Even and then Jennifer if they knew if something was up with Lisa.
Zoë said she had seen her not very long ago and she seemed to actually be doing pretty well… I told Evan “hey why don’t you call your mother” I think he did but I’m not 100% (Evan is an enigma wrapped up in a 13 year old) but I think he said she was fine.
I sent Tiffany a text message saying hey, Even and Zoë haven’t been over to Lisa’s but they both said they had spoken to her and that she was okay so maybe it’s just crazy BS that is going on.
I don’t remember if there was a reply but I talked to Jennifer about it a little but everyone just shrugged.
There were several brief phone calls about her coming down (and then not showing up) this was no surprise at all… I don’t remember if it was even her I heard from.
My mother called and said tiffany was going to be here within hours and she showed up at the door for the first time in a long time.